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About this conversation
Many people reach a point where the goals keep getting met but the meaning behind them starts to fade. In this conversation, Beckley Retreats co-founder and CEO Neil Markey, COO Anja Saloranta, and facilitator and counseling psychologist Dr. Debbie-Ann Chambers talk about why high performers reach this point, and how a structured retreat program can help them reconnect with what matters.
Each shares their own experience: Neil on running "tired and wired" through military and corporate careers, Anja on losing touch with herself while succeeding at work and at home, and Debbie on what she sees in guests. They explain what psilocybin appears to do to entrenched patterns of thinking, and how the program handles screening, safety and dosing.
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- 02:07 | Introductions
- 07:33 | Why high performers come to this work
- 10:41 | An appetite for depth
- 13:52 | Head, heart, and switching off feeling
- 15:05 | Debbie-Ann Chambers on high performance and openness
- 20:12 | Where Beckley Retreats comes from
- 24:28 | What made Anja choose Beckley Retreats
- 27:50 | What psilocybin does to entrenched patterns
- 33:06 | Why integration matters
- 35:10 | Safety and the screening conversation
- 38:18 | Fear of losing control
- 44:42 | How the dose is decided
- 47:52 | What a session day looks like
- 52:09 | How the program is structured
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Neil Markey on feeling wired and tired
There's this idea of wired and tired. You're activated, but you can't really rest.
Anja Saloranta on who comes
If there's one overarching theme for the people I've seen show up on Beckley Retreats programs, it's often people who have an appetite for depth.
Neil Markey on carving new paths
You can think about these psilocybin experiences as a fresh layer of snow on the mountain, so you can carve new paths more easily. But you still need to consciously carve those new paths, because the old ones are still there.
Dr. Debbie-Ann Chambers on what happens at home
When you go home, you're still facing what you left behind. Without integration, it's hard to live and embody the insights, and that's what you really want.
Questions this replay answers
Is this a medical program?
No. As Neil explains, Beckley Retreats does not diagnose or treat any condition. Programs are for personal and professional development, and they run only where psilocybin is legal: Jamaica and the Netherlands.
What if I'm afraid of losing control?
It is one of the most common concerns, Debbie says, and it is respected rather than brushed aside. Preparation, one-to-one conversations with facilitators and a careful approach to dose all help, and Anja describes how talking it through with a facilitator changed her second session.
How is the dose decided?
Through conversation with the team, based on your history, experience and how you are feeling. People who feel anxious often start lower in the first session, and there is a chance to adjust for the second.
How do I find out if the program is a fit?
Take the suitability assessment, or start your application, which takes about seven minutes. Every applicant has a suitability consultation.
Questions to reflect on
- Which goals are you still chasing out of habit?
- When did you last feel something instead of solving it?
- Who would you be without your current title?
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Meet Our Speakers
Neil Markey
Founder & CEO, Beckley Retreats | Former U.S. Army Ranger captain, Columbia graduate, Harvard Master's Student
Anja Saloranta
COO, Beckley Retreats
Debbie-Ann Chambers
Facilitator, Beckley Retreats | Counseling Psychologist
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