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About this conversation
Menopause is a transition that can last four to ten years, and its hardest symptoms are often the ones other people can't see. In this conversation, neuroscientist Dr. Grace Blest-Hopley and journalist and program alum Helen Down talk about what changes in the brain and body, and why this stage of life is so often misunderstood.
Grace explains how falling estrogen affects mood, memory, sleep and the stress response, and why some women are diagnosed with depression when hormones may be part of the picture. She outlines where research on psilocybin stands, and where it is still early.
Helen describes taking part in a women-only Beckley Retreats program in the Netherlands in May 2024, including what was difficult and how she felt in the weeks and months afterwards. The panel then answers questions from the audience.
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- 02:11 | Introductions
- 04:20 | Menopause as a transition, not a single moment
- 06:29 | What estrogen does in the brain
- 08:37 | The symptoms other people can't see
- 11:44 | Menopause and depression diagnoses
- 13:50 | How psilocybin acts in the brain
- 18:03 | What the research shows so far
- 21:08 | Helen's experience of a Beckley Retreats program
- 31:38 | Legality and safety at Beckley Retreats
- 33:44 | Audience questions
- 40:57 | Brain fog, HRT and psychedelics
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Selected transcript excerpts
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Dr. Grace Blest-Hopley on menopause as a transition
We've often thought of menopause as a finite moment, where there's a before and an after, but menopause really is a transition. And I think we don't speak enough about quite how long that transition can be.
Dr. Grace Blest-Hopley on the symptoms people don't see
Most of the symptoms that people are most concerned about when it comes to menopause are not visible.
Helen Down on preparation
I now realize that the better prepared you are, the more you will get out of the retreat.
Helen Down on the inner critic
As women, we all have quite a strong, vocal inner critic, and menopause will give that inner critic a microphone. But after the retreat, that inner critic was a bit quieter.
Questions this replay answers
How long does menopause last?
Grace describes it as a transition rather than a single moment, lasting between four and ten years, and notes that symptoms can begin as early as the mid to late 30s.
Why can menopause look like depression?
Grace explains that fluctuating and then falling estrogen affects the serotonin system, sleep and the stress response, so symptoms can resemble depression. She suggests looking at hormonal health alongside any diagnosis.
What was the program like for Helen?
She found the preparation time-consuming but worthwhile, valued the facilitators and the group, and felt delicate for about a week afterwards before her sleep improved. The lift in mood faded gradually over around six months, she says, but the insights stayed with her.
Where can I learn more about who the program suits?
Read how our program works and who should not attend a psilocybin retreat.
Questions to reflect on
- Which of your symptoms can other people see, and which can't they?
- What support would make this stage feel less fragmented?
- What would you like to carry from the last decade into the next one?
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Meet the Speakers
Helen Down
Program alum and freelance journalist who writes midlife experience pieces for UK newspapers.
Grace Blest-Hopley
Neuroscientist, Hystelica Founder, Director of Research at Heroic Hearts.
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